'Finch1'
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Families covered: Finch of Eastwell, Finch of Icklesham, Finch of Netherfield, Finch of Winchilsea
| (1) BP1934 reports Sir William Dugdale as opining that "this family is descended from a common ancestor with the Herberts, Earls of Pembroke: namely, Henry Fitz-Herbert, chamberlain to King Henry I". As reported on Herbert01, the alleged descent of the Earls of Pembroke from Henry the Chamberlain has been found to be spurious. Collins does not mention such a possible descent but starts with the following Herbert. BP1934 reports Leland as saying that "The Finches, that be now, say that their proper name is Herbert, and that with marriage of the Finche's heir, they took Finche's name." BP1934 starts with William of Netherfield (a 1430) who was "lineally descended from Vincent Herbert, otherwise Finch, of Netherfield, who lived there about the close of Edward II's reign" (1327). BP2003 suggests that it was the undemerntioned Henry who bought the Manors of Netherfield & Icklesham c1345-50. We suggest that the whole of the following (upper) section should be viewed with some caution. (2) The spelling of Winchelsea/Winchilsea has varied over time. It appears that 'Winchilsea' was an old variation of the name of the place which is nowadays called 'Winchelsea' and that the title used the old spelling rather than the new spelling. |
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| Herbert (a 1216, "a very prominent Baron in King John's reign and King Henry IIId's reign") | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | Matthew FitzHerbert, Sheriff of Sussex & Surrey (a 1211, d c1244?) | ||||||||||||||
| A. | Peter (dsp) | ||||||||||||||
| B. | Herbert in Sussex & Kent | ||||||||||||||
| i. | Herbert FitzHerbert alias Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. _ Finch (dau/heir of _ Finch of Finch in Kent) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Vincent Herbert alias Finch | ||||||||||||||
| BP2003 starts with a Vincent who was "connected with (possibly as f-in-law), the change of name, whether due to marriage or otherwise, occurring by 1341". BP2003 then indicates (but does not specify) that Vincent was father of Henry (Mayor of Winchelsea in 1341) father of William, Sir Richard & Joane (Lady Scott). Collins adds a further 2 generations (of Vincents) between Henry & William, etc.. These generations are given in the Visitation. | |||||||||||||||
| m. Joan Salerne (dau of Sampson Salerne of Iden) | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Henry Herbert alias Finch of Netherfield & Iklesham (Icklesham) (d 1384-5) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Parnel Allard (dau of Nicholas Allard of Winchelsea) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | Vincent Herbert alias Finch of Netherfield, Icklesham, etc. the first reported by Visitation | ||||||||||||||
| m. Joan Pessinden (dau/heir of Robert Pessinden) | |||||||||||||||
| (i) | Vincent Herbert alias Finch of Netherfield, Icklesham, etc. | ||||||||||||||
| Visitation identifies Vincent's wife as Isabella, sister/heir of Richard Crall. Collins identifies her as ... | |||||||||||||||
| m. Isabel Cralle (dau/coheir of Robert Cralle of Cralle (in Warblington) by Margery, dau/coheir of Simon Peplesham) | |||||||||||||||
| (a) | William Finch of Netherfield, Sheriff of Sussex & Surrey (a 1430) - continued below | ||||||||||||||
| m. Agnes Roo (dau of Walter Roo or Row of Dartford) | |||||||||||||||
| (b) | John Finch (d 19.05.1442) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Elizabeth Sewer (dau/heir of Richard Sewer or Sewers of Linstead) | |||||||||||||||
| (c) | Sir Richard Finch of Oreleston in Kent (dsp) mentioned by BP2003 but not by Collins | ||||||||||||||
| (d) | Joan Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. Adam Iwood | |||||||||||||||
| BP2003 shows that Joan married Sir William Scott of Scot's Hall but that Collins suggests his wife was her sister Isabel. The Scot records support the latter. | |||||||||||||||
| (e) | Elizabeth Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. John Ashburnham of Ashburnham | |||||||||||||||
| (f) | Isabel Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Sir William Scott of Scot's Hall see note just above | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Sir Gervase Clifton of Nottinghamshire | |||||||||||||||
| (2) | John Herbert or Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. Lucy de Wigsell (widow of Robert Allard) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | John Finch (prior of Christchurch in Canterbury) | ||||||||||||||
| (3) | Joan Herbert or Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir John de Pelham | |||||||||||||||
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| The first mentioned 'properly' by BP1934 was ... | |||||||||||||||
| William Finch of Netherfield, Sheriff of Sussex & Surrey (a 1430) - continued above | |||||||||||||||
| m. Agnes Roo (dau of Walter Roo or Row of Dartford) | |||||||||||||||
| 1. | John Herbert alias Finch of Icklesham (dsp after 11.1457) | ||||||||||||||
| 2. | Henry Finch of Netherfield | ||||||||||||||
| m. Alice Belknap (dau/heir of Philip Belknap of The Moat) | |||||||||||||||
| A. | Sir William Finch of Burmarshe, Kent (a 1541) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Elizabeth Crowmer (dau of Sir James Crowmer of Tunstal, widow of Sir Richard Lovelace of Bethersden) | |||||||||||||||
| i. | Lawrence Finch (dsp) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Mary Kemp (dau/heir of Christopher Kemp) | |||||||||||||||
| ii. | Sir Thomas Finch of Eastwell (d 02.1563) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Catherine Moyle (d 09.02.1586-7, dau/coheir of Sir Thomas Moyle of Eastwell, m2. Nicholas St. Leger) | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Sir Moyle Finch, 1st Bart of Eastwell (b c1550/1, d 18.12.1614) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Elizabeth Heneage, Countess of Winchilsea (b 09.07.1556, d 23.03.1633/4, dau/heir of Sir Thomas Heneage of Copt Hall by Anne Poyntz) | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Sir Theophilus Finch, 2nd Bart of Eastwell (b 02.10.1573, dvmsp c1619) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (16.07.1596) Agnes Heydon (bur 16.02.1620/1, dau of Sir Christopher Heydon of Baconsthorpe) | |||||||||||||||
| (2) | Thomas Finch, 3rd Bart, 2nd Earl of Winchilsea (b 13.06.1578, d 04.11.1639, 3rd son?) | ||||||||||||||
| Collins identifies Thomas as the 1st Earl of Winchelsea. We follow BP1934/2003, supported by TCP (Winchilsea) in identifying Thomas as the 2nd Earl, being successor to his mother who was created Countess in 1628. Accoridngly, hereinafter we differ from Collins as to the numbering of the Earldoms. | |||||||||||||||
| m. (1609) Cecilie Wentworth (d 1642, dau of John Wentworth of Gosfield) | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | Heneage Finch, 3rd Earl of Winchilsea (b 1627-8, d 09.1689) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. (21.05.1645) Diana Willoughby (dau of Francis Willoughby, 5th Lord of Parham) | |||||||||||||||
| (i)+ | issue (d young) | ||||||||||||||
| Collins reports that Heneage had 27 children of which 16 "lived to some maturity" but says of the children of the 1st marriage only that "he had no issue that survived him". | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (by 1649) Mary Seymour (d before 10.04.1673, dau of William Seymour, 2nd Duke of Somerset) | |||||||||||||||
| (ii) | William Finch, 'Lord Maidstone' (bpt 20.1.1651/2, dvp 28.05.1672) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (1665-6) Elizabeth Wyndham (dau of Thomas Wyndham of Fellbrigge Hall) | |||||||||||||||
| (a) | Charles Finch, 4th Earl of Winchilsea (b 26.09.1672, d 14.08.1712) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (26-28.09.1692) Sarah Nourse (dau of Henry Nourse of Woodlands) | |||||||||||||||
| ((1)) | Charles Finch (b 08.1703, dvp 1705) | ||||||||||||||
| (b) | Marianne Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. James Herbert (son of Philip, Earl of Pembroke) | |||||||||||||||
| (iii) | Heneage Finch, 5th Earl of Winchilsea (b 03.01.1656/7, dsp 30.09.1726) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (c14.05.1684) Anne Kingsmill (d 05.08.1720, dau of Sir William Kingsmill of Sydmonton) | |||||||||||||||
| (iv) | Thomas Finch (dsp 1695) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Anne Hayden | |||||||||||||||
| (v) | Leopold William Finch (bur 1662, d 14.11.1702, prebendary of Canterbury, 5th son) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Lucy Davie (dau/coheir of John Davie of Ruxford) | |||||||||||||||
| (vi) | Lashly Finch (dsp(s)) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Barbara Scroop | |||||||||||||||
| (vii) | Frances Finch (d 17.04.1712) | ||||||||||||||
| m. (by 1673) Thomas Thynne, 1st Viscount Weymouth (b 1640, d 28.07.1714) | |||||||||||||||
| (viii)+ | other issue - Charles (d unm), Henry (d unm), Elizabeth (d unm), Mary, Jane (d unm) | ||||||||||||||
| m3. (10.04.1673) Catherine Norcliffe (dspm 1678-9, dau of Sir Thomas Norcliffe of Langton, widow) | |||||||||||||||
| (xiii)+ | other issue (d unm) - Catherine, Elizabeth | ||||||||||||||
| m4. (29.10.1681) Elizabeth Ayres (d 10.04.1745, dau/heir of John Ayres of London) | |||||||||||||||
| (xiv) | John Finch, 6th Earl of Winchilsea (b 24.02.1682/3, d unm 09.09.1729) | ||||||||||||||
| The earldom passed to John's cousin, Daniel Finch, 2nd Earl of Nottingham. | |||||||||||||||
| (xv)+ | other issue - Cecilie (b 07.08.1681, d infant), Anne (b 22.08.1687, d unm 17.11.1702) | ||||||||||||||
| (B) | Frances Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. (03.05.1631) Sir William Strickland, 1st Bart of Boynton (d 1673) | |||||||||||||||
| (C) | Anne Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir William Waller of Osterley Park (b c1598, d 1668, General) | |||||||||||||||
| (D) | Cecilie Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir Erasmus Philipps, 3rd Bart of Picton Castle (d 18.01.1697) | |||||||||||||||
| (E) | Diana Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. Nicholas Toke of Godington | |||||||||||||||
| (F) | Catherine Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. Ambrose Moore | |||||||||||||||
| (G)+ | other issue - John, William, Catherine (d young) | ||||||||||||||
| (3) | John Finch (d 1624, 4th son?) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Anna Walker | |||||||||||||||
| (4) | Sir Heneage Finch of Kensington (d 05.12.1631, Speaker of the House of Commons, recorder of London) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Frances Bell (dau of Sir Edmund Bell of Beaupre Hall) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Elizabeth Cradock (dau of William Cradock of Staffordshire, widow of Richard Bennet) | |||||||||||||||
| (5) | Francis Finch of the Inner Temple (poet) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Anne Barker (dau of Michael Barker) | |||||||||||||||
| (A)+ | issue - John, Heneage, William, Robert, Elizabeth | ||||||||||||||
| (6) | Anne Finch (b c1574, d 14.11.1638) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir William Twysden, 1st Bart of Roydon Hall (d 08.01.1628) | |||||||||||||||
| (7) | Catherine Finch (bur 26.09.1639) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir John Wentworth, Bart of Gosfield (b c1583, d 10.1631) | |||||||||||||||
| (8)+ | other issue (d unm) - Heneage (b 25.09.1576, d young), William, Robert, Elizabeth (d young), Elizabeth (d young) | ||||||||||||||
| b. | Sir Henry Finch (d 11.10.1625, Serjeant-at-law) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Ursula Thwaites (dau/heir of John Thwaites) | |||||||||||||||
| (1) | Sir John Finch, Lord Finch of Fordwich (b 17.09.1584, d 20.11.1660, Lord Chief Justice) | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Eleanor Wyatt (dau of George Wyatt of Boxley, cousin) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. (by 14.03.1644/5) Mabel Fotherby (dau of Charles Fotherby, Dean of Canterbury) | |||||||||||||||
| Not clear which wife was mother of ... | |||||||||||||||
| (A) | daughter | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir George Radcliffe of Ireland | |||||||||||||||
| c. | Thomas Finch (dsp) | ||||||||||||||
| m. _ Wilkins of Tonge | |||||||||||||||
| d. | Jane Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. Sir George Wyatt of Boxley (a 1570) | |||||||||||||||
| iii. | Richard Finch (dsp) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Eleanor Walsingham (dau of Sir Edmund Walsingham, Constable of the Tower of London) | |||||||||||||||
| m2. Catherine Gaynsford (dau of Sir John Gaynsford of Crowhurst) | |||||||||||||||
| iv. | Erasmus Finch (dsp) | ||||||||||||||
| m. Marian Sommers (dau of John Sommes, widow of Thomas Rolfe) | |||||||||||||||
| v. | Vincent Finch (dsp) | ||||||||||||||
| m. _ Ferrers of Gloucestershire | |||||||||||||||
| vi. | Eleanor Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m1. Robert Morton of Esture | |||||||||||||||
| a. | Sir Albert Morton | ||||||||||||||
| m2. Thomas Wotton of Boughton Malherb | |||||||||||||||
| vii. | Mary Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. _ Whitney | |||||||||||||||
| viii. | Elizabeth Finch | ||||||||||||||
| m. Thomas Thwaites | |||||||||||||||
| B.+ | other issue including Henry, Philip | ||||||||||||||
Main source(s):
Collins (Peerage of England, Brydges's edition vol 3, 1812, 'Finch, Earl of Winchelsea and Nottingham') with some support from Visitation (Kent, 1619, Finche) and (mainly for the lower section) from
BP1934&BP2003 (Winchilsea and Nottingham)
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